An honest question
I could have submitted this as a simple post on Facebook, G+, or on a forum somewhere. But I'll post it here because I get the most views on the blog and I'd actually like to hear people's responses.
Was I too harsh? How do I come off in my comments? How does my adversary in this discussion present himself?
Tap Gallery Sydney:
HEY ALL YOU ARTISTS OUT THERE, YOU ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE OR AN EXCUSE TO HANG YOUR WORK... WELL I'M GIVING YOU ONE AND I'M MAKING IT CHEAP AND EASY TO HANG YOUR WORK , TO SHOWCASE YOUR CREATION!
I HAVE NO FANCY FLYER FOR YOU, I JUST HAVE YOU TO READ THIS AND SAY YES I AM AN ARTIST AND I WANT TO GET MY WORK OUT THERE!!
YOU HAVE 9 DAYS TO GET SOMETHING READY -NO POOR EXCUSES PLEASE EVERY ARTIST HAS SOMETHING READY OTHERWISE YOU JUST ... WELL I DON'T WANNA SAY IT!
SO I AM CURATING A FLASH SHOW CALLED
"KNOWN - UNKNOWN"
YOU GET THE PICTURE, SO BRING YOUR ARTWORK IN ANY FORM TO TAP GALLERY 278 PALMER ST DARLINGHURST 2010 BY OR BEFORE
MONDAY 30TH SEPT 2013 SO I CAN FILL THE WHOLE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING AND MAYBE UPSTAIRS AND THE EXHIBITION WILL OPEN ON
TUES 1ST OCT 6.30 PM
AND THE COST WAIT FOR IT IS $15 PER WORK WHICH IS CHEAP DUE TO THE SHORT NOTICE AND TO GIVE YOU NO POOR EXCUSES!
SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? THE BUS THAT WILL TAKE YOU FROM BEING UNKNOWN TO MAYBE BEING KNOW AWAITS YOU. DON'T LET ME DOWN!!!! REMEMBER $15 PER WORK DUE IN BY MON 30TH SEPT AT THE LATEST DON'T HIDE YOUR ARTISTIC ABILITIES!!!
STEVE
...other comments...
Michael Wenman:
Do you really want to drain the already meagre resources of struggling artists? I'm sorry, but if you really wanted to give the 'unknowns' a break, maybe it would have been better to hang work for free and take a small commission from any works sold. This just smells of someone trying to milk the hopes and dreams of young artists for a bit of quick cash.
...other comments...
Steve Mclaren
Michael Wenman you have managed to sensationalize wot you have written, and blown wotever runs your brain out of proportion, wot you have written smells(reeks) of sour milk so let me rip you a new arsehole......
THIS IS A QUOTE FROM A Michael Wenman " Do you really want to drain the already meagre resources of struggling artists? I'm sorry, but if you really wanted to give the 'unknowns' a break, maybe it would have been better to hang work for free and take a small commission from any works sold. This just smells of someone trying to milk the hopes and dreams of young artists for a bit of quick cash."
Michael Wenman i'm sorry but you are totally wrong here,and out of line!!! (this is Steve Mclaren who is curating this show,typing)
Tap Gallery is an artist run space and non for profit organisation who helps artists get there work out there and we have a group of volunteers (non paid) who are devoted to help artists of all types and art forms.
we make things happen so that this space remains for all to be able to show their work, we have no restrictions and answer to no one. I don't see you taking time out anywhere to help get a show up and running the $15 doesn't even cover costs my much ignorant friend.
i will take criticism from you wen you actually do something worthwhile and help struggling artists of which i'm one so before you go out slandering a show do a little homework and find out about wots going on in the real world, i bust my arse and my meagre resources to get something happening to have a great show, help people get their stuff hung , introduce them to other artists (many good collaborations have happened from this), keep the gallery i love alive(the gallery also has many other things happening also in the wider community) which includes theatre, the oxford and pyrmont art festivals and talent quest we also liase with other galleries and help artists get into others shows.
i will tell you Michael when you also let artists hang for free or spoon feed them they do take things for granted. this happens at major galleries only when you are known to have a good sales track record otherwise they won't look at you.
seriously i actually could go on and on but hey wot are YOU doing for struggling artists??? mmmm nothing i feel except trying to tear down the last bastion of underground free thinking artists , kudos to you Michael Wenman kudos!!! PS are you a failed disgruntled artist who never got to be hung in a show??? i have no idea as i have no idea who you are as you probably have no idea who i am because you can only crawl out from under ur rock when you want to soap box absolute shit, so i hope to see your work on sun or mon and at the opening on the 2nd of OCT at 6 PM and i will let YOU HANG 2 WORKS FOR FREE SO U HAVE NO EXCUSES CHALLENGE UP WORKING CLASS HERO !
LUV STEVE MCLAREN (don't fck with me!)
Michael Wenman:
Firstly, I'm paying local Western Sydney artists (and aboriginal artists) for the right to use their imagery in published works that sell around the world.
Secondly, my comments do come from negative experiences with art gallery owners/directors, competition coordinators and other types who simply take money without actually offering a beneficial service to the artists. If you deny that this sort of person exists in the world, then you are as naive as I am jaded. (There, I've thrown you a straw man argument to attack).
Additionally, I didn't attack your credentials, nor did I resort to petty insults. I just made a comment based on what I saw and the experience I had. If you took offense, I'm sorry for you. You've made your point clear, the grammar and spelling show you you are passionate about this and obviously typed from your heart. Good luck with the endeavour.
If you're interested, here is a link to the original facebook thread.
I will not be adding any more to this post, I don't want to taint any potential feedback.
Was I too harsh? How do I come off in my comments? How does my adversary in this discussion present himself?
Tap Gallery Sydney:
HEY ALL YOU ARTISTS OUT THERE, YOU ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE OR AN EXCUSE TO HANG YOUR WORK... WELL I'M GIVING YOU ONE AND I'M MAKING IT CHEAP AND EASY TO HANG YOUR WORK , TO SHOWCASE YOUR CREATION!
I HAVE NO FANCY FLYER FOR YOU, I JUST HAVE YOU TO READ THIS AND SAY YES I AM AN ARTIST AND I WANT TO GET MY WORK OUT THERE!!
YOU HAVE 9 DAYS TO GET SOMETHING READY -NO POOR EXCUSES PLEASE EVERY ARTIST HAS SOMETHING READY OTHERWISE YOU JUST ... WELL I DON'T WANNA SAY IT!
SO I AM CURATING A FLASH SHOW CALLED
"KNOWN - UNKNOWN"
YOU GET THE PICTURE, SO BRING YOUR ARTWORK IN ANY FORM TO TAP GALLERY 278 PALMER ST DARLINGHURST 2010 BY OR BEFORE
MONDAY 30TH SEPT 2013 SO I CAN FILL THE WHOLE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING AND MAYBE UPSTAIRS AND THE EXHIBITION WILL OPEN ON
TUES 1ST OCT 6.30 PM
AND THE COST WAIT FOR IT IS $15 PER WORK WHICH IS CHEAP DUE TO THE SHORT NOTICE AND TO GIVE YOU NO POOR EXCUSES!
SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? THE BUS THAT WILL TAKE YOU FROM BEING UNKNOWN TO MAYBE BEING KNOW AWAITS YOU. DON'T LET ME DOWN!!!! REMEMBER $15 PER WORK DUE IN BY MON 30TH SEPT AT THE LATEST DON'T HIDE YOUR ARTISTIC ABILITIES!!!
STEVE
...other comments...
Michael Wenman:
Do you really want to drain the already meagre resources of struggling artists? I'm sorry, but if you really wanted to give the 'unknowns' a break, maybe it would have been better to hang work for free and take a small commission from any works sold. This just smells of someone trying to milk the hopes and dreams of young artists for a bit of quick cash.
...other comments...
Steve Mclaren
Michael Wenman you have managed to sensationalize wot you have written, and blown wotever runs your brain out of proportion, wot you have written smells(reeks) of sour milk so let me rip you a new arsehole......
THIS IS A QUOTE FROM A Michael Wenman " Do you really want to drain the already meagre resources of struggling artists? I'm sorry, but if you really wanted to give the 'unknowns' a break, maybe it would have been better to hang work for free and take a small commission from any works sold. This just smells of someone trying to milk the hopes and dreams of young artists for a bit of quick cash."
Michael Wenman i'm sorry but you are totally wrong here,and out of line!!! (this is Steve Mclaren who is curating this show,typing)
Tap Gallery is an artist run space and non for profit organisation who helps artists get there work out there and we have a group of volunteers (non paid) who are devoted to help artists of all types and art forms.
we make things happen so that this space remains for all to be able to show their work, we have no restrictions and answer to no one. I don't see you taking time out anywhere to help get a show up and running the $15 doesn't even cover costs my much ignorant friend.
i will take criticism from you wen you actually do something worthwhile and help struggling artists of which i'm one so before you go out slandering a show do a little homework and find out about wots going on in the real world, i bust my arse and my meagre resources to get something happening to have a great show, help people get their stuff hung , introduce them to other artists (many good collaborations have happened from this), keep the gallery i love alive(the gallery also has many other things happening also in the wider community) which includes theatre, the oxford and pyrmont art festivals and talent quest we also liase with other galleries and help artists get into others shows.
i will tell you Michael when you also let artists hang for free or spoon feed them they do take things for granted. this happens at major galleries only when you are known to have a good sales track record otherwise they won't look at you.
seriously i actually could go on and on but hey wot are YOU doing for struggling artists??? mmmm nothing i feel except trying to tear down the last bastion of underground free thinking artists , kudos to you Michael Wenman kudos!!! PS are you a failed disgruntled artist who never got to be hung in a show??? i have no idea as i have no idea who you are as you probably have no idea who i am because you can only crawl out from under ur rock when you want to soap box absolute shit, so i hope to see your work on sun or mon and at the opening on the 2nd of OCT at 6 PM and i will let YOU HANG 2 WORKS FOR FREE SO U HAVE NO EXCUSES CHALLENGE UP WORKING CLASS HERO !
LUV STEVE MCLAREN (don't fck with me!)
Michael Wenman:
Firstly, I'm paying local Western Sydney artists (and aboriginal artists) for the right to use their imagery in published works that sell around the world.
Secondly, my comments do come from negative experiences with art gallery owners/directors, competition coordinators and other types who simply take money without actually offering a beneficial service to the artists. If you deny that this sort of person exists in the world, then you are as naive as I am jaded. (There, I've thrown you a straw man argument to attack).
Additionally, I didn't attack your credentials, nor did I resort to petty insults. I just made a comment based on what I saw and the experience I had. If you took offense, I'm sorry for you. You've made your point clear, the grammar and spelling show you you are passionate about this and obviously typed from your heart. Good luck with the endeavour.
If you're interested, here is a link to the original facebook thread.
I will not be adding any more to this post, I don't want to taint any potential feedback.
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